LOL Clans in LFS =)

Quote from ajp71 :

They earn more than we do before you take the exchange rate into account ($46000 vs. $35300 GDP per capita in 2007). By the time you take that into account we're paying more than 3 times as much. I know in the US though there is more of a diversity of income and I also realise that a lot of poor people reckon they should be able to afford to drive around in cars with huge old V8s but in the end of the day there are plenty of people over here who struggle to afford to run cars which drink less than a third of what people drive over there.

I agree, there are other factors making the price of fuel expensive here, but fuel itself isn't that much more expensive than the USA. This country has shit wages, high tax, and no housing.... why am I living here again? Have 30 acres waiting for me in the states...bloody women... When buying anything other than food 1/2 of our money is gone in tax by the time you add in NI, NHS, VAT... thats not including council tax...

Didn't Moose join us after the new system was started?

I do agree that gold could have more meaning, but we haven't looked at it farther yet.

Well currently I just paid 1.25 a liter to fuel it up today 41 pounds later I had a full tank... that was only to fill 3/4 of a 45 liter tank =)

When I was in the states last in the beginning of May it was 3.60 which wasn't bad for me because I made pounds so I could do the exchange rate so it was something like 50p a liter.

For someone in the states who doesn't make pounds it costs just under 1.00 per liter compared to our 1.10. The exchange rate cannot be used because there is no exchange of currency happening. They are paying dollars while we are paying pounds while they are making dollars and we are making pounds.

This is separate from the fact that the average worker in the US makes 1/3- 1/2 again more than the British worker, and pays less in taxes, so % wise people lose less of their income in fuel if they had cars with the same gas millage, but they don't so they pay more per mile than someone from the UK =) But it's their own fault... My Brother has a Dodge Ram with the 5.7liter Hemi. He puts in about $200 in fuel a week, insane. I told him he needs to get a car, but he won't listen.

Quote from Jamexing :

I sense a very disturbing trend here. Remove every setup option ,even when its terribly realistic is many ways. Next, someone asks to remove toe settings when it is so blindingly obvious that all LFS cars have adjustable front toe in their RL equivalents, with only a small select group i.e. FWDs that should have fixed rear toe due to trailing arm suspension. Then ask for removal of brake bias adjustment when anyone who SERIOUSLY tracks his his car would have a brake balance bar anyway.

A bit OT but not all FWD's have rear trailing arm suspension. I have struts in which I can adjust camber, toe, and caster to an extent from the factory, granted the parameters are small, but still.

Correct me if I am wrong but brake systems 'could' be adjusted to be able to do what we do in LFS (IE set 100% braking at the point where the brakes lock) Changing pad compounds, rotor diamters, piston sizes would all change the braking to how people set up their cars in LFS.

If the brakes we get with our wheels were pressure sensative I wouldn't see a problem with changing how the brake force is done, but we have position sensitive and it works fine.

Quote from SamH :

hehe yeah, it'd be cheap to us, but the yanks aren't used to prices like this. We could have it that cheap if we weren't taxed to hell and back.

Hehe yeah, well it's not too far off now actually. About 20cents per liter cheaper in the states, which is a bit, but alot less than people make out and like you said that extra little bit is from the government taking like 50 cents of every liter or something.

Quote from Bean0 :

Dunno, I've seen it before and it seems pretty real.

It's one of those famous ones like the BMW owner who used a sock as an oil cap...it was ingested.

LOL yeah I heard that one too.

http://www.audiforums.com/m_69 ... page_1/key_/tm.htm#693578

ROFL no way someone would actually do that to their car!

Two edged sword for me, on the one hand you have drivers that keep entering into the server because they are crashing.

On the other side you have dumb dumbs like me who use the wrong setup/fuel/ ect. and need to pit to adjust. If I join the server the first thing I usually have to do as well is adjust my setup in which I usually end up adjusting 3-5 times during my midrace session so I am ready for the race next time around.

I do agree there is a problem with the crashers, but in dealing with them you hamper people's ability to adjust setups and tweak. I don't know of a better solution yet though.

LOL Sam as Budda, gotta keep eating those icecreams I think =)

Yeager there is more attached to the licenses than what is currently being used, but they will be shown when X2 is released, but who knows when that is, it takes a good portion of our time just to manage what we have now so...

Quote from DarinSRT :

Yes I am and yes I love LFS.. Unfortunately with all the various testing I do, I don't get much of a chance to run it which is the case for all sims at this point..Everytime I sign up to do some league racing, i flake cause Im so wrapped up in something new..

Thanks for the compliments !

Glad you enjoy LFS so much! I don't get much time to play myself anymore.

Have a go on the CTRA servers when you get a chance, we have been wanting to write up something for you guys to show everyone watching SRT what we have been doing and what the CTRA system is about, but we are working on developing new stuff so haven't really had the time. If you do get a chance feel free to MSN me with any questions, I am more than happy to do a walk through with you until we can get some documentation done up for you all at SRT. Like our reporting procedures, how the points system works, and the appeals process to name a few things.

http://www.raceauthority.com/ (24,783 unique licensed drivers and counting =)

Last edited by Christopher Raemisch, Thu, 29 May 2008 16:27.

Quote from chunkyracer :

As long as a lot of that market is a "bunch of frustated shumacher's wanna be", I don´t really think that LFS will be an alternative, because of the lack in "real" content. For a lot of people, the most important thing they want of a sim, is to pretend they´re driving the "x" car, around the"y" track and getting their ego's up, thinking they can drive faster than "z" driver. For them, even if they try it, LFS will not be good enough.

Who says that there isn't anything in the books now to be able to get real content into LFS? You have to get one foot in front of the other before you can run, personally I wouldn't, and don't want 'real' content until I am happy with the underlying groundwork, the physics. The 'real' part of it is only eyecandy...

I agree Sam, that for me also goes back to a conflict of interest in managing the servers and removing the unqualified drivers. They are starting this from the ground up to generate revenue, not to help a community or build on a community, if they did they would have seen that charging an arm and a leg just won't cut it. Their primary concern is the figures in the bank at the end of the day and banning people for anything other than blatent wrecking would ruin their figures. One could argue that upholding the rules diligently will spread the message they mean business which to me is what they are relying on to be able to generate the numbers, but they are going to have to have one hell of a marketing campaign in the terms of prizes for events and the like to be able to get any decent numbers in IMO.

Again this is all speculation, I would rather stick to LFS than waste $300 the first year to play something, when I could generate the same level of professionalism here in LFS, with one cracken' community that is, what, 7 years old now? LFS dev team has never been about to fleece us or to take anything more than what is required, they have coddled us until we stood up on our feet by ourselves and watched us walk =) He has let most everything grow organically, letting everything happen in due course. Not shove a set of rules at people from the getgo, say here you MUST follow this or you can't play with ANY of the content online. And ohh by the way instead of paying $50 in a one time fee, you must now pay 6x that to be able to play for one year.

I also agree that LFS has been left on it's own and the sim racing community as a whole doesn't really know of what LFS is capable of, other than it has little to no real content and is still Alpha, so they don't see a finished product they can put their money on. I wonder if we could see how many times RF/GTR/ect. ect. crash on people... bah thats getting off topic even more. 33 pages and rolling =) I see LFS as my 'professional' sim, some of the stuff just isn't created yet

Last edited by Christopher Raemisch, Thu, 29 May 2008 16:11.

Quote from Whitmore :

Thats not true Games/sims have always been promoted before release. What was nice though was the free demo as part of that promotion before release.

Yep, you are right, I was thinking too generalized, sorry =) You are right about the demo though, most new games I have ever seen had one, the ones that didn't already had a userbase.

Ohh Ohh I know I know "drumroll"





iRacing!!! Oh wait... I gotta give them a year first when they figure out that ripping off the average racer won't work...least I hope not...

Quote from BrandonAGr :

Say what? Vettes have never been unibodies

I think you better go check under the latest one It's been a unibody since the C4 IIRC. I know for a fact that Nayked racing used to race vettes in the states and they had to switch to the viper because the vettes would flex more than what could be handled by the setup and the car would become a pile mush when pushing the limit. This came from Dave, one of the crewchiefs.

A little history of the Vette.
http://www.welovecorvettes.com/history.html

"The unibody construction used in the C4 was prone to rattles and squeaks due to minimal sound deadening. "

I like the focus, but would they ever keep up to a Bentley Continental GT well into the triple digits in factory trim? I think not =)

I like the old Shelby Chargers, the SRT-4 concept was modeled after them. Shame they had torque steer up the wazzuu. With that turbo on the 2.2 you could do a 14.0 1/4 mile with a front wheel drive car back in the mid/late 80's, well before the 'tuner' market poped up.

Last edited by Christopher Raemisch, Thu, 29 May 2008 06:20.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Really Chris?! I could have never imagined that...

I think I will call you Captain Sarcasm from now on instead of Mr. Underpants...

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Anyone remember when products were appraised after being released?

Good times.

Flip side of that too is that products weren't promoted until they were released... =)

Quote from fujiwara :

Give graces while they ask see the cats...

lol

Top notch once again SRT crew =) Still debating if I like the videos screening on top, but I will give it a bit to soak and see what it feels like

Quote from SamH :

Niels, I couldn't agree more! The points in CTRA are just a road you travel. What makes it fun are the people you meet and race with on the way

100% agree.

Quote from The Radness :

OT: I do most of my racing at CTRA and it has drastically improved my door-to-door racing.

Thanks! Thats our goal =) We have plenty more ideas for you guys on the blocks, just to get this degree out of the way first... and the baby... and the car... ohh and the house...

Quote from The Radness :

Well I'm glad you gents found the humor in my post there.

But in all seriousness, alot of people complain of T1 pileups, but with half as many cars, that guy/girl that forgot to install his brake pedal is going to have to be a litlle more accurate with his/her bump-stop

women drivers.....am I right?

LOL all 2% of them =)

We hear the complaints, it's a challenge to tackle with limited manpower to be sure. We know there is an issue with 'noob' drivers crashing people, we do have some concepts drawn up, have had for a good 6 months at least, but we cannot 'put the pen to paper' without some more manpower to shove at it. Reports alone can only do so much and they do a great job, but...

Quote from SamH :

Right now, the only thing I'm thinking is "black forest gateaux with fresh cream", but that's just a personal affliction

I've only completed 78% of my races.. but that's just sod's law, cos when I go on using the SamH account, I constantly get asked questions while I'm trying to race

At least you have an excuss, best I can do is Aimee calls me to do something or the phone rings...

It's Ben and Jerrys Cherry Garcia for me, they used to make it as icecream, but brought it back as frozen yougert, tastes the same, with something like 90% less fat which means I will now be 90% less fat than I would have been normally. That and thier Chunky Monkey... 'drool'

Quote from SamH :

LOL!

Finishing stats in CTRA aren't THAT bad! We consider <80% races finished to be a bad number.

uhoh..... "erases my own license"

With this thread Sam, you thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?

:edit: read TS window too Sam please =)

Quote from The Radness :

On, I don't know; lets say CTRA Race1, you may start the race with 20-25 people. But how many actually finish? 12 or 14 MAX . If you start with less, hopefully(HOPEFULLY!!!!) more than 50% of the field will finish.

Hehe